from the "obama -- "baltimore sun," and i covered chemical belts, plants blew up, and i asked why it kept happening. he said the problem is what's killing us is not what we don't know, but what we know. the american public knows a lot of things that are so, like how the government works, how politics work, and they actually don't. >> right. >> you know? gets to the question of sort of obligation, i mean, are we crowding out stuff that would batter inform them? are we, you know, should we be using their obsession with celebrity to better inform them? >> in a strange way, i think that, actually, that's the upside of everything you talk about. look, maybe a lot of people have it wrong, but i'm a great, great -- i'm not a great believer in the church of journalism, okay? i've known too many journalists, too many people behave in too many bad ways, and in a very primitive interpretation, i think it was john stewart who many, many years ago said the only hope since all is so bad and corrupt, is to have maximum freedom and maximum outlets and maybe if we are lucky on a sunny day, the truth